7/20/2005 11:39:00 PM|||Modius|||Well, we are the lucky ones! TRT has recruited a team of editors and contributers to the site, roaming the wasteland of Tiverton in a vain attempt to capture rumour, thoughts, images and anything they can get their grubby little mits on.... beware, they could be watching. Our newest editors in no particlar order:
theinsider | jollyrancher | gonzotheclown | ass2mouth | thefruitpastel | smoothcriminal
We'll send them out to dig, and dig they will, watch this space for further info [TW]
|||112189943708752415|||New staff join TRT....7/18/2005 10:46:00 PM|||Modius|||NFT, or should we say normal for tiverton? I've heard this phrase so many times over the years, add to that the fact that someone has suggested this post - well, it all adds up to what may well turn out to be an hilarious few comments. You live here? You breed here? You must have some stories of Tivertonians doing the things that only Tivertonians can do, in style. So, for 10 points here's an example freshly ripped from the Express and Echo.
"A teenager crashed his car down an embankment, flipping it onto its roof, when he was driving without a full licence or insurance. City magistrates were told it was lucky that none of [Name removed, Look it up!] three passengers had been killed as a result of the accident in a Devon car park.
Both he and his girlfriend did not realise at the time that she was pregnant.
[Removed], 19, of The Walronds, Tiverton, was banned from driving for a year and was given a six-month conditional discharge at Exeter Magistrates' Court. He pleaded guilty to failing to stop after an accident, driving without insurance, driving without due care and attention and a bail offence.
The court heard that he had walked away from the accident but had gone into a police station soon after.
The incident happened when he drove to Knightshayes, Tiverton, earlier this year.
He had been driving at speed around the car park, doing wheel-spins, when he reversed down an embankment. Nobody was badly injured but passengers suffered shock and bruising.
In mitigation, Caroline Salvatore said: "It could have ended tragically."
Tell us your stories, go on, we all need a laugh. [TW]|||112172352756706275|||NFT - you got that right...7/19/2005 10:07:43 AM||||||OK. I'm having a nightcap in my place over a shop in town. I hear enormous thumps in the quiet night street as tivertonian tries to kick window in. After 5 thumps the glass gives way dramatically. I rush to the window and begin altercation using mainly naughty words (the window he has just broken is not directly below the one I'm shouting out of, and may even because of oddity of shop facade look like its a different property). At my shouting tivertonian looks up, genuinely surprised at my reaction. "I don't know why you're getting so fucking upset its not your window that's broken" (it was though). He walks off, keying cars all down Bampton St. Police know him. Nothing happens. Wish hadn't sited my business here. 4th window to date. situation normal.7/19/2005 10:46:14 AM|||Tivtrot|||Back in the day, I used to work at the White Ball, this is long before it became a Weatherspoon's, when it was owned by Lou and was more like the Wild West on Friday and Saturday nights, particularly when we had Bands playing.
One Saturday Night we had just finished tidying up the Back Bar and were just relaxing in the Front Bar with a Pint and a Fag. Suddenly there was a frantic banging on the window, and screams of "call an Ambulance, call an Ambulance, there's been an accident!"
It transpired that some local youths, rather the worse for Alchohol, had decided it would be entertaining to play 'Chicken' by lying down in the road and waiting for a car to come down over the Exe Bridge, then get out of the way at the last minute.
Needless to say, the person staying longest in front of the vehicle would be the 'hardest' and therefore the winner.
The winner was a youth from a well known local fanily, who was so pissed he failed to move at all, and a local nurse who failed to spot him ran over his head in her Mini.
Of course given that his head contained little other than bone, he survived, although he did have to walk aroung Tiverton looking like 'The Mekon' with a hugely swollen head held together in a wire frame for some time afterwards.7/19/2005 11:00:19 AM||||||Yep, I've always said it: they've got the intellect of a sleeping policeman.
(Tivtrot, did you really go to school in the 1980s?)7/19/2005 02:52:29 PM|||Tivtrot|||Indeed I did go to Tivvy School in the 80's.
Another White Ball incident I vividly remember took place on New Years Eve, at a guess 1989/90. The Back Bar was still quite full, though I am pretty sure midnight had come and gone, and the drinking was tailing off, as casualties mounted and wallets ran dry.
A bedraggled figure approached the bar, wearing what had been a white shirt, his appearence wasn't unusual, though he did seem further gone even than most of the other revellers. He stumbled over and asked for a pint of Lager.
He appeared so far gone that I took the unusual step of asking the Landlord, Lou, if I should actually serve him at all 'If he wants one, let 'im 'ave one' was the reply.
So I pulled the fella a pint and took his money, he garbled a thankyou and turned, zombie like, away from the Bar. It was at this point that I noticed his back.
The back of his shirt was basically gone, some shreds remained, stained red with blood. His back was a gouged and scraped mess of flesh and blood, with dirt and gravel firmly woven in.
I quickly grabbed him by the shoulder and pulled him back to the Bar "**** mate, have you seen your back? (Stupid question) - What the hell happened to you?"
"Oh,yeah" He replied "We was 'avin a lahf" he intoned, as if it were the most natural thing in the world "An' my mates frew me in the River Lowman"
For those unfamiliar with the depth of the River Lowman in proximity to the Bridge he had been thrown from, it can generally be measured, to it's stone bottom (The old Ford) with a Primary School ruler.
He staggered off into the night, refusing medical assistance on the basis that it "Don't 'urt none"
Still, at least they 'ad a lahf, eh?7/15/2005 10:19:00 AM|||Modius|||Recieved this via email yesterday, nice to know that our hard work is appreciated!
Quote 'hi, i don't think you hace got the right image of Tiverton to display on your website. Firstly, you cannot tarnish every teenager and young adult as 'chavs'. I happen to come form Tiverton, and me and me mates are most certainly not 'chavs'. Anyway, why Tiverton, it's growing all the time and you need to sort yourself out mate, you got too much time on your hands, get a life mate. Anonymous. PS, GET A LIFE!!!'
Nice to see the young folks of Tiverton can read, wasn't aware that we called you and your mates chavs. Do you wear burberry? Is your IQ over 12? If so then we are sorry for the insult we have casued you. Congratulations on figuring out email and the inner workings of the humble computer system. I believe I have a life, probably more so than you. Please forgive me for trying to give a little insight and humour to the community. I wonder what you do for a living?|||112141958805161655|||Fanmail!7/15/2005 11:21:47 AM||||||Everything goes over these people's heads. They'd make great limbo dancers.7/15/2005 12:21:31 PM|||Baldrick & Melchitt|||Ah bless the little ones. I don't feel that we can chastise these people too much as they obviously have only a slight grasp of the English language, and probably wouldn't understand what was being said if we went off on a rant about them. Let's just stick to single-syllable words (that's little words to you chavs) - YOU NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME IN SCHOOL. STAY OUT OF THE PUB. TRY TO WEAR NICE CLOTHES. It's actually quite difficult to write in such simple terms. Damn. Even my young son has a better understanding of English than these scrotes. Keep up the excellent work on the site - it's about time somebody put our collective thoughts and opinions into a public forum. We lived in Tiverton for many years and know exactly what it's like - the good and the bad and the all too often ugly. Anybody ever read Field Of Dreams?7/16/2005 12:08:41 PM||||||who was that guy?? do you even come out of you mums basement have, you seen Tiverton lately bummer hair cut, three quater lengh trousers and pink hackett shirt from the whiteball to angle hill. what a Chav even the way you writes screams of chav'ness . you need to go back to school and learn. instead of just chating about who has the best pink t- shirt7/16/2005 02:21:49 PM|||Baldrick & Melchitt|||Erm... Kermit, dude, who're you talking to? If it's us we'd just like to mention a couple of things - 1. we didn't mention anything about pink shirts. 2. we don't see how our writing can be in the chav stylee as it's all punctuated pretty much correctly, and there're no spelling mistakes thus far, i.e. we're of intelligent, educated mind. I've seen plenty of Tiverton over the last 15 years thanks, enough to know that it'll always be an ugly sore on the beautiful face of England - full of puss, but with some pleasant surroundings. We'll be back soon.7/16/2005 02:24:24 PM|||Baldrick & Melchitt|||That should've been "pus" not "puss". God. How fucking pedantic is that? Ah well. Cheesy breadstick anyone?7/16/2005 03:43:27 PM||||||Er Baldrick, have you been eating dung again? Kermit was responding to the main post on this strand. BaaaH!7/16/2005 06:28:16 PM|||Baldrick & Melchitt|||Our humblest apologies. A sudden dip in turnip intake resulted in a sub-15 IQ. Please ignore our ramblings during this time.7/17/2005 01:34:06 AM|||Anonymous|||Have a "life"? How is that you have spent more than 20 minutes reading stuff on a PC and then answering? Life =42!7/14/2005 02:24:00 PM|||Modius|||Liking the site? Help us out, we need support to carry on. No - you don't need to send money into us (we'd probably waste it anyway), it just takes a simple act, click on the ads on the right hand side of the page, there's only four, but we (The Real Tiverton) can make a few dollars from your clicks! Just remember to click whenever you visit, that way we can keep the site running! Thanks.
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|||112134758928130520|||Help Needed!7/14/2005 02:16:00 PM|||Modius|||All the pain and anguish we've been through to create a site, I don't see any other Tivertonians taking the time to craft their own vision of Tiverton? Exactly.... so this is a blog, coincidentially about ye small ol' towne of Tiverton, so what we want to know is this - what is the best place in town to shop, what should be destroyed and what above all should be embraced, where should we loosen our purse strings and part with our hard earned money (or should that be dole money)?
|||112134715834007539|||Bitchin.... so say something positive....7/14/2005 04:07:46 PM|||Anonymous|||Clothes
Jo Amor and Soundy's
Country Baby at the bottom of Angel Hill
Revamp also on Angel Hill
Food
Sarah's Dairy, Reapers, Piece of Cake,Country cupboard, the market
Restaurants
Saffron
Golden Buddha
4 and 20 Blackbirds
Apparently the River Cafe does great vege food.
Someone on this site said Cafe Europe was good too
Books
No idea what it's called but its opposite Clare House surgery
Ottakars
Home
Theres a nice homeware shop (in the covered area near the postoffice and the pharmacy.
Health
Reapers
Holland and Barratt
The one next to Woolies (name?)
Exe Valley leisure centre - cheap, well run, good facilities7/15/2005 09:49:49 AM|||witho|||I like Reapers, the organic food shop, as it's the only place where I can find Red Oak Leaf lettuces!
Jo Amor is nice but a bit pricey. They have some bargains in the sale at the moment though.
I only work in Tivvy, so I only know the shops I can get to quickly during my lunch hour!7/15/2005 10:05:23 AM|||witho|||Also, there seems to be a lot of moaning about parking on here.
Personally, having lived in various other parts of the country, I think that 90p for an hour's parking or £1.80 for a whole day (I think that's how much it is) is cheap as chips. There are always spaces in the Multi Storey (the one near Kwik Save)when I've been there and it's only a short walk away.
When I worked in Southampton, it cost around £8 to park all day.
I don't begrudge paying for parking. Those able-bodied people who actually live in Tiverton should be able to walk to most places in town anyway.7/15/2005 12:46:40 PM|||Anonymous|||I would be interested to know how the Mole Gallery is prosepering7/15/2005 01:47:27 PM||||||I wouldn't moan about parking in Tivvy if the current situation was helpful. But I have a shop and am very familar with the clock watching and people's worry about only having 20 mins (or whatever) left on the meter. Whatever you say, Tiverton is not a rich town with a dazzling collection of great shops to blow their coins in - and the reality from my viewpoint is that a reduction in parking provision in tandem with an increase in costs is reducing people's desire to hang around in Tiverton. I think it's being talked about quite a bit because people like me are feeling the effect rather than because it's an easy target. What do other shop people think?7/15/2005 02:35:10 PM|||Anonymous|||Public transport…… Now here’s something to really moan about… we have established that although the reputation of Tiverton precedes it, that Tiverton has a number of half decent places (except Jo Amor is still think is way over priced!) But public transport is surely a major issue in Tiverton, as buses are so infrequent to nearby towns, cities and villages. And also the ticket prices are far greater than places like London for example! What can be done?7/15/2005 02:47:25 PM|||Tiverton Wanderer|||We will be posting an article dedicated to the 'fantastic' public transport system which in inflicted upon us!7/16/2005 06:00:19 PM|||Anonymous|||Not one supermarket in the list so far - says it all.7/18/2005 04:07:46 PM||||||The Lantic Gallery in Gold Street is small but perfectly formed. I hope they do well from the 'Tesco Effect.' Ditto the Riverbank Hotel / Four and Twenty Blackbirds and Wellington Boots in Gold Street.
I like the jewellery shop at the end of Fore Street near Angel Hill.
Country Cupboard / Sara's Dairy / Reapers / Alastairs' veg in the market / Toogoods - all good for local food
The clothes shops seem to divide neatly between teenage twiggy emporia and frumpy hell holes. Apart from the oft-mentioned Jo Amor. And Banbury's does very occasionally have something for the not-quite-dead-yet.
Heartland Bookshop opposite the old cinema is exactly the sort of shop a 'historic market town' should have. (I wonder how many tourists turn off the link road to Tiverton when they see that sign and feel slightly cheated by all the horrible 60s architecture in the town centre?)7/18/2005 06:45:27 PM|||Anonymous|||The Ganges does a cracking curry. Service is shocking, but the food really is good - and much better value than near neighbours! Try it. Don't be put off by the rude waiters...7/19/2005 05:57:52 PM|||Tivtrot|||Best curry has always been the Gate of India, Ali rocks, even got him to cater my wedding!
Best shop currently IMHO is Toogoods Farm Shop in Westexe North. In fact Westexe has quite a few good shops I've noticed now I've gone down there.7/21/2005 10:35:09 AM|||Unknown|||Worrying series of events:
New landlord arrives at the Thorverton Arms three years ago with wife and son.
They check out the local competition and decide to concentrate on offering reasonably priced, locally sourced, food as the other two pubs in the village are "drinkers" pubs and sell their pints at prices that the Landlord can't compete with.
The local rag editor turns up, the landlord, in an attempt to allay the fears of the oposition, explains his plans to offer a food venue to complement rather than compete with the other two pubs.The headline in the rag reads: "Drinkers not welcome at the Thorverton Arms".
The village then vows not to step over the threshold of the pub whilst the new landlord is there.
Three years later and the landlord is leaving.
Now this wouldn't be such a shame if the Thorverton Arms didn't sell the best food I've eaten in the south west. I used to live in London,and went to lots of nice restaurants with work so I know good food when I see it. The food at this place is simply amazing, really good value for money and locally sourced.
How are we ever going attract decent venues to Tiverton if this is the mentality of the South West?7/14/2005 12:06:00 PM|||Modius|||There's been huge amounts of feedback on the site, but the 'real' feedback appears in my inbox, and it seems that most of you love the site. Uninhibited, uncensored and full of detail.... so, now I throw the floor open to the people, write your own article and if we like it, we'll post it. If your a councillor (god help you), why not offer your services and write a short piece for us - your can rest assured that you recieve instant feedback (unlike your own forums). Own a business, then mail us and have your say. Hell, if all else fails we'll just continue to publish rant aimed at this decaying old town, you know.... the one you live in!
|||112133946054448662|||Your Say, My Say and Invitations.....7/14/2005 02:01:27 PM|||Anonymous|||Were born on a diffrn't cloud from the ones tht have burst round town!7/14/2005 02:13:14 PM|||Anonymous|||Is there anyone out there from the council who would be prepared to answer questions from this forum on a regular basis?
You or we could suggest a topic, then you could state the council's position on it and update us on what the council is doing about it and we could send you questions and feedback.
You'd have to be prepared for totally honest responses and the occasional expletive. The end-goal would be meaningful dialogue and positive change for Tiverton.
Is there anyone from the Council with the gonads to give this a go?7/14/2005 02:28:13 PM|||Tiverton Wanderer|||What happened to all the fun? And I doubt if there is anyone from the council that would want to take the beating that this site would clearly dish out! Spineless Goits!7/14/2005 04:36:06 PM|||Anonymous|||Say somthing, scream it from the roof tops of your head. Make it sort of mean somthing, make me understand or i'll forget!7/15/2005 02:22:56 PM|||Anonymous|||Public transport…… Now here’s something to really moan about… we have established that although the reputation of Tiverton precedes it, that Tiverton has a number of half decent places (except Jo Amor is still think is way over priced!) But public transport is surely a major issue in Tiverton, as buses are so infrequent to nearby towns, cities and villages. And also the ticket prices are far greater than places like London for example! What can be done?7/15/2005 03:23:22 PM|||Anonymous|||Ever get that sense of deja vu?7/09/2005 11:14:00 AM|||Modius|||So, it's here, it's being built, it's large, maybe ugly, it's occupying enough space for at least another 100 council houses, people love it, people hate it. This is the place to have you say. Don't be shy, we're all friends here.
|||112090421481686096|||Tesco, on second thoughts?7/09/2005 06:31:30 PM|||buttmunky|||Far from being the last nail in Tivertons coffin, I believe this might just be its saviour.
If it was a little further out from the town centre then that would probably be game over but where it is then I see it as a starting point for a better local shopping experience and when you factor in the other three sizable units being built as part of the same development (that will probably be snapped up by other national chains) then this can only strenghten my point.
Tiverton needs more decent shops to make it worth shopping here worthwhile and with a new shiny Tescos as part of it along with the other bigger retail names then that is what should happen.
What I also see happening is the 'main' shopping street in tiverton becoming Gold street with Fore street as the less used extension.7/11/2005 09:46:01 AM|||Anonymous|||Does anyone know what the other three stores are going to be?7/11/2005 11:45:47 AM|||buttmunky|||Only rumours at the moment, but would expect something along the lines of Dixons/Currys goin after the larger one (7k square ft.?)
also hearing rumblings regarding Argos *Chavs cheering* eyeing up the existing Tesco's site.
(fingers crossed for a KFC tho ;-P )7/11/2005 11:55:31 AM|||Anonymous|||What about an HMV or something - I would of thought that would do brilliantly in Tiverton.7/11/2005 12:02:55 PM|||buttmunky|||Too right.
We certainly need it.
Would be good to see a 'Virgin' in tiverton.
Desperately short of those here.7/11/2005 01:05:48 PM|||Anonymous|||Now now play nicely!7/11/2005 05:30:43 PM|||buttmunky|||I meant that Tiverton could do with a decent place to buy music and dvd's and stuff.
like a virgin megastore.
Honest....7/11/2005 09:33:38 PM|||Anonymous|||Sorry to throw some doubt on your large retail units, but I think that when Tesco re-submitted their plans to increase the store to 65,000 sq m, the other units went out the window - so its Tesco, that's it! Game of monopoly anyone?7/11/2005 10:19:06 PM|||buttmunky|||Ah.
Thats that theory out the window then.7/12/2005 12:00:06 AM|||Anonymous|||buttmonkey, do you really think a new tesco would save tiverton? apart from the fact that there are already 3 other supermarkets in the town, there are 2 other tesco's stores taking up floor space. a "new shiny tesco's" will provide many detriments to tiverton. firstly, most of trade will be situated in the new tescos, that's most of the towns trade, as tesco's provides nearly everything a consumer will want, at "cheap cheap prices"...great.. anyway back to my point. this will mean that shops in fore and gold street will turn into the shops that often occupy west exe north, often changing hands and being very specialist shops. this will lead to a general degradation of gold and fore street, with the buildings becoming simply disused.
Also, out of every £8 spent in the UK, £1 goes to tescos. now im sure that happens in tiverton right now, but with a new store, infact a superstore, even more will go to them. This means that money in tiverton will, instead of being passed among the population by trade, will instead be sent to a huge swiss bank account under the name of "tesco plc". how can either of these outcomes be good for the town? yes maybe to begin with the new tesco will be fancy and new, with its great new deals to top up your clubcard to get that extra £15 at the end of the quarter, but when it loses its appeal, when it becomes an eyesore, when it drains the town of its individuality, then the population will realise that the way to improve the town isnt to welcome corporations with open arms, but to encourage local business, and to support them and to tell corporations where they can stick their megastores.7/12/2005 08:40:05 AM|||buttmunky|||There will always be supermarkets.
That will never change and their prices will always be lower than any independent retailer will ever be able to match and still make a profit enabling them to remain trading.
My point is that I belive By siting the shiney new store close to the town centre will help it retain or even improve its draw to shoppers, and that is what is needed.7/12/2005 09:47:59 AM|||Anonymous|||They are building the new Tesco's right outside my house, I know that what was there was a disused factory but somehow it didn't seem half as ugly and humungous as the new Tesco's. The frame alone completely overshadows my house, I can see the sky from my attic window.
I did write to the council to express my concerns when the planning application was made and I realise the town needs the jobs and trade the store will bring but its really bringing me down.7/12/2005 09:49:23 AM||||||Even those who might not initially want to support Tesco will end up there because it will be the only place to park round here. Is it near enough to the town centre, though, for that to be a good thing for the traditional retail element of tivvy?7/12/2005 01:32:42 PM|||buttmunky|||I certainly hope so.
And it would require that the Loman green area is developed well enough (as I believe the building agreement includes?)7/12/2005 03:29:27 PM|||Anonymous|||I thought that at one stage they were going to pedestrianise Lowman green into Gold St to encourage people to move from Tesco to the rest of town and vice versa... anyone know if this is still true?7/12/2005 03:39:46 PM|||Anonymous|||Re "shops in fore and gold street will turn into the shops that often occupy west exe north, often changing hands and being very specialist shops. this will lead to a general degradation of gold and fore street, with the buildings becoming simply disused."
I've just had a thought. Perhaps the new Tescos won't damage the town centre. We already have a wapping Safeway which (it seems) is where most people shop. People who come into Tiverton to go to a Supermarket seem to go there. The store sells everything from Bread to Insurance and yet the town centre lives on. I realise the new Tesco will be closer to the town centre but surely it will perform the same role as the current Safeways/Morrisons and so the impact of the new Tescos will be the same that Safeways had?
I reckon those who don't like the mushy peas and pies etc will start shopping at Tesco and Morrisons will become the new Kwik Save..
Just a theory7/12/2005 03:57:37 PM|||Anonymous|||Have just spoken to the lovely lady who is looking after the Tesco's development at MDDC. Her name is Jenny.
Anyway she said that although the new Tesco is the only building to be constructed on the Lowman works site she is expecting a planning application for some smaller retail units on the "island". Where is the island - is it where that white MDDC building is?
Also she confirmed that roads between Tesco and Gold St would be pedestrianised.7/12/2005 04:49:31 PM|||Anonymous|||Ok first buttmunky do you have anything elae to do cuz honestly i have genuin concern for you lol.
hey people with tesco you either love it or you hate it, the building is undr way so im guessing if your batting for the other team (against tesco naturally..) the ud best stard loving it ...7/12/2005 04:50:03 PM|||Anonymous|||7/12/2005 04:55:48 PM|||exegirl|||7/12/2005 07:36:04 PM|||Anonymous|||I think the "island" is the area behind the Environmental Health Dept, currently occupied by MST. The site is not large & anyway Tesco's increase in floor space from their original plan was to ensure any competition would be limited. Good game monopoly, especial when all the board is Tesco!7/13/2005 01:34:29 AM|||Anonymous|||Does anyone know if the new Tesco store will be open 24 hours? Most of the new Tesco superstores built are now.7/13/2005 09:18:08 AM|||Anonymous|||No it won't be - too much disturbance for those of us who live behind it. The hours will be 8-8 I think.7/16/2005 06:01:40 PM|||Anonymous|||The main framework is now up - have a look. And this store will not affect business in the centre?7/17/2005 05:47:23 PM|||Tivtrot|||Like most people, I have mixed feelings about this new Tesco.
Against:
It will kill the Tesco in the Town Centre, I know they claim that it will stay, but it won't. Look what happened in Exeter, it's gone, and that has meant, as it will (In fact already is, to a degree)in Tiverton, less choice of clothing in the branch, which is a pain.
It has killed off much of the 'brown field' former Industrial heartland of Tiverton at the Lowman Works site.
It will detract from the Town Centre, leaving a big hole when the branch in Town closes.
It will probably kill off Old Blundells Garage, if it has a filling station.
For:
It will provide much needed Car Parking for the Town.
In doing so, it may actually extend a lifeline to shopping in the Town, as others have pointed out, it may increase trade in Gold Street.
Tesco closing in the Town Centre might actually lead to a new store moving into their old premises, which might increase the variety of shops in Tiverton.
In Summary:
We will have to see what it does, I agree it isn't so far out of town to be a death knell to the High Street, but only time will tell if it improves Tiverton overall.7/17/2005 10:42:45 PM|||buttmunky|||I believe Tescos has anounced the old store will close, and yes I agree that since the plans for the new store, the old one does seem to have gone right down hill (a cunning plan to make the new one seem even more amazing?)7/19/2005 04:41:36 PM|||Anonymous|||Insider info suggests it will be 24 hours - let's hope they can handle the low life at 11pm!7/20/2005 07:02:02 PM|||ChavUnited|||Good idea tivvy-trot-rotter.
Here are me fors and againsts!
For.
large car park for racing me nova in.
cheap petrol so i can keep going all night.
24 hour fags and booze = winner!
cheap cider makes me drive better.
extra recycling bins so i don't have to buy new trackies.
Against.
More cctv? for fucks sake.
Improved lighting? Crap
Roundabout in the middle of one of the fastest roads in town? Bollocks.7/21/2005 04:39:55 PM|||Anonymous|||Cannot wait for the old store to close, just imagine! the biggest charity shop in Devon, two floors of tat in the centre of Tiverton. Great site by the way.7/09/2005 11:10:00 AM|||Modius|||So what do you think of the rural bobbies on the beat? We've had a great deal of mail concerning the police force or serious lack there of. Yeah.... we know, Devon is a big place and there are only a few nominal people in Tiverton so we don't need a large police force, we don't pay enough tax to warrent a large army of law enforcement officers... well, I for one would like to know there's someone around on the long walks home at the weekends, avoiding the gangs of roving teenagers, addicts, ingrates and wannabe east-enders!
|||112090406120716054|||This Weeks Poll, the Police?7/12/2005 12:27:16 AM||||||The police aren't bad
Though it gets on my nerves that there more willing to stop 2 or 3 people (who have done nothing to vandalise or make noise or harm anyone)because they have been smoking a little bit of weed rather than arest someone who has obviously had way to much to drink and is walking down the road shouting at anyone who walks by threatening to knife them7/12/2005 10:03:50 AM|||Anonymous|||I was just wondering what people thought of the following:
If the police can't walk the beat on a Friday and Saturday (up and down Gold/Fore/Bampton St) couldn't we ask Remedies and the pubs to increase/ provide bouncers to calm people down if they get leery?
We could also ask the council for CCTV so we could record any violence and have the offenders prosecuted.
I don't really want to live in "Brave New World" but I'm not sure what else would work.7/12/2005 07:26:53 PM|||Anonymous|||Give a licence to "bouncers" to police the streets? I don't think so - I wouldn't trust some of em to look after a dog (no offence Remedies groupies).7/13/2005 08:17:20 AM|||Anonymous|||As Tiverton is full of addicts could anyone suggest a downtown street corner or other suitable urban location where one might be able to purchase a reasonably priced bag of skag?7/13/2005 04:28:45 PM|||Anonymous|||As far as I know there is already CCTV in Tiv - all along the high street, looking down the Remedies road, one trained on Choices corner and looking up the street towards the Twatford. The Police are rumoured to look at the footage in the aftermath of any disturbances on the street.
And damn straight about those bouncers. Moronic thugs the lot - and really not good at handling trouble - they start more than they manage to contain.7/14/2005 03:43:16 PM|||Anonymous|||Surely, its not hard for police to crack down on genral antisocial behaviour! The ammount of under age drinkers there are hanging around the streets at night! we all know there their, so why cant the police stop them?7/16/2005 06:08:10 PM|||Anonymous|||Some success at last! I see the five teenage savages (girls) have been locked up after attacking a girl last December. It is unbelievable these individuals committed further offences after this incident. What were their parents thinking of to allow this behaviour to continue. Well done police - there are plenty more of these animals about, same result please.7/18/2005 02:36:50 PM|||Tivtrot|||7/18/2005 07:00:12 PM|||Tivtrot|||The Police, like most Government institutions in the Uk these days, are driven by bureaucracy, pushing paper and meeting 'targets' set for them by government, and wasting ever increasing amounts of money on ridiculous technology (ID Cards anyone?)
Tiverton, interestingly, was the last place in Devon and Cornwall to retain an independent Police force up until WW2!! It has a long History of trouble and Police actions, with a whole string of Riots in the 18th & 19th Centuries.
I am creating a Blog about this at [Removed by TW] if anyone is interested in seeing more.
I'd say we need more devolution of Management in the Police back to local level, a return to manned Police Stations, decentralisation, less technology, more Police on the Streets. It's been done before, Alderson pioneered it here in the 1970's, sadly this ever more interfering Government is never going to do it.7/09/2005 11:08:00 AM|||Modius|||The Tiverton Wanderer has been out of action for a while and the editors have been arguing about the direction of the site. We have recieved so many email asking for censorship - our view? It's the web, freedom of information and freedom of speech, the only thing we censor is names and for the time being this is how the site will continue. Enjoy
|||112090384428693158|||Sorry for the Delay7/09/2005 01:17:33 PM|||Anonymous|||its a pity that some quite compelling ideas are being drowned out by the very ninies who are inhibiting the growth in confidence in our town and its regenerative potential. The site is becoming a bear garden - a living, audience- participating, object lesson in incivility. It is a plain speaking sermon to the rest of the world showing why Tiverton is in such difficulty. Although we shy naturally away from censorship, at least we need look no further for evidence of the immensity of the hill we have to climb.7/11/2005 11:09:11 AM|||Anonymous|||Actually I find this site quite uplifting. That fact that there is debate and the occasional expletive shows that despite what people say Tivertonians do posess some civic pride. They may not express it eloquently but they do care enough about the future of their town to add their comments to this site7/11/2005 09:36:51 PM|||Anonymous|||OK, but you can construct a reasoned argument without the use of offensive language. Keep it clean or join the rest of the Tiverton inbreds!7/20/2005 06:47:37 PM|||ChavUnited|||Cock.7/01/2005 05:20:00 PM|||Modius|||Recieved Via EMail (Our first Guest Author) - Your Thoughts?
Well aren't we all positive happy people!
If you want new businesses to join the town you have to sell the place to them. No wonder the only businesses that open up are charity shops and hairdressers; who apart from locals would want to open up a shop in a town populated with such apparently negative and apathetic people?
This website gives the impression Tiverton is chock full of people ready to make a complaint and totally void of anyone willing to do anything to solve the problem.
I moved to Tiverton a few years ago and I really like it here. I think the Saturday fruit and veg market is fantastic and I love being able to choose which butcher I use. My shopping bill has gone down at least £40 a week just by using these venues.
I also love the organic food and health shops in Tiverton. Sarah's Dairy, Piece of Cake are also very good. As for clothes there are only two decent stores; Soundy's and Jo Amor. If you're looking for something tasteful you really should try the Lantic Gallery and the bookshop opposite Clare House Practice is a veritable treasure trove. Saffron and the Golden Buddha are
good places to eat.
Tiverton is not perfect but there is a good range of decent places to spend your money.
What we really need is a decent place to have a drink. Somewhere that sells good quality wine and beer, that looks stylish, comfy and inviting, that is not dominated by a Sky sports screen, that does not sell alco-pops and that holds decent live events. If anyone would like to open a Jazz cafe/bar I know at least 50 people who would become regulars of such a venue in the twinkling of an eye. We all spend our weekends out of Tiverton because there is nowhere in town that sells drinkable wine/beer or plays agreeable music.
In response to those who those who have complained about the increase in housing developments I have this to say: these houses are all being bought by someone. If the people who are buying them are not coming into town there must be a reason for it; I would suggest that the town's negative attitude and consequential reputation may be at fault.|||112023493763904200|||Another Email?7/01/2005 05:35:10 PM|||buttmunky|||Amen to that.
Apart from the jazz bit... ;-)7/01/2005 10:14:13 PM||||||I grew up in Tiverton, albeit a long time ago.
I have been looking at this 'forum' for the last few days and this is about the first sensible thread I've seen.
All this nonsense about Chavs is rubbish - They were in the town 40 odd years ago (called lowlifes then).
As for the moans about the servise in Morrisons - the moaners should think about where the staff come from (i.e. locally). I have lived for the past 30 years not far from Morrisons HQ and shop regularly in a number of their stores. Believe me, the Tykes can show us Dumplings a thing or two in the humour/customer service departments!!
I visit Tiverton two or three time a year and see that somethings don't change.
Am I sorry I moved north? Not on your nelly!!
BTW - Local councils and councillors are much the same anywhere in the country; those who bitch about Tiverton councillors either voted them in, or if they didn't have a vote should shut up.7/01/2005 10:15:11 PM||||||PS - Sorry about the typo!.7/01/2005 11:21:35 PM||||||I like tiverton. I grew up here. I have a friend.7/01/2005 11:24:18 PM||||||(snigger!)7/03/2005 08:19:46 PM||||||totally agree with the email. Yes Tiverton has some really shite parts about it, but then doesn't everywhere?! But I do hand it to T.W for actually having the balls (and ability) to create this site allowing a free flow of opinions, suggestions,and simple moans to be posted. Cheers!7/05/2005 09:44:07 AM|||Anonymous|||I think Tiverton does have problems attracting shoppers - too many banks, estate agents, charity shops, haidressers and empty shops.
BUT we do have the secondhand bookshop in Newport Street which is fantastic, Jo Amor, Four and Twenty Blackbirds, the Riverbank Hotel does AMAZING vegetarian food really cheaply, the Lantic Gallery, Banburys (bless 'em), Sara's Dairy, Reapers, Country Cupboard, actually I could go on, but lists are a bit boring. And don't knock the Tivoli - an independent town cinema is a rarity.
Tiverton has a low sense of self-esteem which discourages visitors sothe town centre suffers from lack of support.7/05/2005 09:38:42 PM|||Tom|||Actually, a lot of those new houses are given away to young, single, unemployed mothers with about 5 sprogs.
I've even heard the kids on the school bus (was on my way to college) saying that, 'if you get pregnant, they give you a free house!'.
.. Going to keep an eye on this place from now on.7/06/2005 08:11:49 PM||||||Ahhh, the drinking utopia you talk of used to exist, the bar on top of the Tube. Those were the days! comfy sofas, chequer plate bartop, white and blue minimal design! DAMN YOU REMEDIES!!!!!
hey-ho. If this place does open I shall join you, though I dont want any Jazz!7/07/2005 01:23:30 PM|||Anonymous|||Tiverton has its bad and good points.... well mainly bad! i do most of my shopping in Exeter, I simply cant belive all the hype about the Jo Amor shops! Yes the things are nice, but theres noting in thoses shops which you couldn't get for the fraction of the price in exeter. As for the home shop its just like habbitat with a 100% knock up of the prices! and although Tiverton needs more shops that sell quality, these shops must be at more "TIVERTON FREINDLY" Prices as we all know that tiverton isn't the most lucrative area of the world. my advice to people is to shop in Exeter!7/07/2005 04:51:29 PM|||Anonymous|||OK it seems there is support for a decent non sky sports/alco-pop/trashy music type drinking hole so come you budding entrepreneurs, we've got the customers, give us the venue!!7/07/2005 04:58:27 PM|||Anonymous|||Re shop in Exeter not Tiverton
If you want Tiverton to sink into an abyss of charity shops, tat floggers and "Shop to let" signs go ahead and post more comments like the last one. That way no one will ever come into Tiverton again, every shop will close down, 100's of people will be out of work and we'll be living in a ghost town.
If you want to improve Tiverton you've got to come up with positive, realistic suggestions.7/07/2005 04:58:27 PM|||Anonymous|||7/07/2005 09:52:38 PM|||Anonymous|||(ECHO)7/08/2005 11:52:04 AM|||Anonymous|||Re Shop in Tiverton not Exeter!
I totally agree that Tiverton needs a new infulx of refreshing shops and such, to keep people in work etc... But I think you have totally faild to grasp my point. What i was suggesting is that Tiverton needs more quality shops. I suggest that just because shops like Jo Amor, are at a minimum in Tiverton dosn't mean they should take blatant advantage of that by charging astranomical prices. And to me what your saying apears conter intuative. As there seems to be no logical point in doing your shopping in a place that ofers very little and what it does offer you pay extra for due to lack of compotition. Its also crazy for you to blame the consumers in Tiverton, as its not in any way there fault that there is very limited choice in Tiverton, and I stress again its counter intuative for a consumer to do there shopping in a limited area than to travel a small distance, to a more competative and broad market of shops i.e. Exeter. where you can get Jo Amor esqu cloths and goods for a more competative price! And i would argue that given more choice and better shops, consumers in Tiverton would shop localy, but they cant in anyway be held responsable for the lack of good shops. And my positive suggestion is that places like Jo Amor lower there prices, that way people will be more inclined to shop in tiverton, insteed of paying extra for the novelty of it being a half decent shop in Tiverton7/08/2005 03:18:05 PM|||Anonymous|||Re shop in Exeter not Tiverton
OK point taken, I misunderstood you.
I hear what you are saying about price and choice but the question is what can we actually do about it? There must be something..
Is there anyone out there from the Council or local business that can tell us why it is so hard to run a good quality, reasonably priced shop in Tiv and can someone else please tell us who (council/planning/tax etc) is responsible for sorting this out?
If we find out who they are maybe we could get a "the real tiverton" petition together, that would let these mysterious people know that Tiverton's residents are not happy with the quality and variety of venues in our town centre and want something done about it?7/08/2005 03:50:07 PM|||Anonymous|||I'm sure that the local authority doesn't see it as its job to unlock the commercial potential of Tivvy, unless the moronic noodles think that they're already helping by their loony enthusiasm for high parking charges. The acid test is viability - and anyone thinking of opening an unusual speciality shop will not have done their market research/business plan in a full & judicious way if they end up deciding that Tivvy's the place for them - unless its a tattoo shop.7/08/2005 04:12:04 PM|||Anonymous|||You see that's where you are wrong
This web site is testimony to the fact that Tiverton is sick to death of tatoo shops/charity shops etc.
The existence of this website is indicative of a real need for decent quality shops in Tiverton. Read through the entries, tatoo shops and the like are not wanted in Tiverton anymore.7/08/2005 04:17:50 PM|||Anonymous|||The site may be testimont to the fact that certain people are sick of certain shops. I'm talking VIABILITY. Just because you don't want tattoo parlours doesn't alter the fact that Tivvy would be a sensible place - for all sort of cultural reasons - to have one.7/08/2005 05:11:54 PM|||Anonymous|||Yeah whats with that wacky shop selling fashion wellies!!!! Tiverton aint ready for that shit yet man, save them for the farmers!!7/08/2005 05:13:08 PM|||Anonymous|||And what you are still not recognising is that this site is testimony to the fact that decent shops would now be viable in Tiverton 20057/08/2005 05:27:12 PM|||buttmunky|||7/08/2005 05:35:03 PM|||buttmunky|||We have one Tattoo studio in Tiverton. Is that too many for you?
"This web site is testimony to the fact that Tiverton is sick to death of tatoo shops/charity shops etc.
The existence of this website is indicative of a real need for decent quality shops in Tiverton. Read through the entries, tatoo shops and the like are not wanted in Tiverton anymore."
Can you actually read? One anti tattoo post is hardly a bandwagon worth jumping on.
and yes, I have Tattoo's. does that make me a bad person?
Pull your head out of your arse, read the posts properly and think about what you're writing.
Now Charity shops (and lest we forget 'estate agents), thats another matter...7/08/2005 05:42:17 PM|||Anonymous|||Look - "the best place to drink in Tivvy" section seems to be testimony to the fact that there are good pubs in Tivvy, and that the Twyford is the best of them. So if this site is a barometer for quality pubs ... its frankly broken. All this "what you are still not recognising..." crap amounts to is that Tivvy could probably not support a friendly characterful pub with good food, music & atmosphere because vox pop seems to have voted for a pub like the Twyford. Same goes for all the rest. If as you say there is a critical market mass who want upmarket shops, and if the cultural and commercial environment can support them THEN THEY WILL START TO APPEAR. THEY WILL HAVE TO. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.7/11/2005 07:56:57 AM|||Anonymous|||I agree with most of the intelligent comments made on this topic. The only thing that seems to be overlooked yet again is where are people park their cars now most of the car parks have been built on. Dose the public have to rely on the good nature of stores like Morrisons, the new Tesco and Tiverton Hospital for accessible parking?
The multi-story parking has already been discussed elsewhere on this site, so no need to go into that again.
When increasing the number of retail outlets, as in the market, one should also consider accessibility for the user.7/11/2005 09:37:45 AM|||Anonymous|||Why is everyone picking on the "no more tatoo shops" blogger?
I don't think they have a thing about Tatoo shops. Tatoo shops are great. Tatoo artists spend all their time making sure every dumb, illiterate, inbred, cultureless oaf is clearly marked out for everyone to see.
Personally I think there should be one on every street that way in about two months every idiot in Tiverton will be clearly identifiable so we can round them up and ship them off.7/11/2005 09:44:51 AM|||Anonymous|||Can anyone spell on this site?
Intuitive (no a)
their ( as in their house )
competitive (no a )
locally ( double l)7/11/2005 09:49:43 AM|||Anonymous|||RE Twyford is the most popular pub
I think the reason the Twyford seems popular is because people are voting for the best of a bad lot. There hasn't been a decent place to drink in Tiv for years, people can't vote for what isn't there.
We still need a decent watering hole in town to remind us all what we've been missing.7/11/2005 10:51:45 AM|||Anonymous|||Anonymous 7.56. The issue of where people park their cars hasn't been "overlooked yet again". Have you been to the parking section? (You might need to persevere)7/11/2005 11:56:10 AM|||buttmunky|||"Personally I think there should be one on every street that way in about two months every idiot in Tiverton will be clearly identifiable so we can round them up and ship them off."
yeah, funny.
Don't worry numb-nuts.
Mummy will let you get one when you grow up*, maybe let you pick your own clothes too!
*and just incase the inbred tattooist can't spell, you want
C-O-C-K-L-U-N-C-H
right across your forehead.7/11/2005 01:08:36 PM|||Anonymous|||do you mind I'm trying to eat my lunch - can't laugh and swallow at the same time.7/11/2005 04:31:13 PM||||||Theres a startling similarity between the original posts on this site and many of the replies under humourous names. Usually the inflammatory ones, is the Tiverton Wanderer replying to his own posts to generate controversy?
In which case what is the point to this site?
I though it was a site where us Tivertonians could air our views and grievances not a sounding board for one person's spite fuelled biterness.7/12/2005 12:22:01 AM||||||Tiverton is all pleasent and fine if your taking early retirement or if you have no social life whatsoever. But for us younger generation, if we want a nice evening out, we risk being beat by a chav who thinks your looking at his ugly girlfriend because she's wearing half a scrap of cloth on her breasts.
Durring the day there is nothing to do in the town for us. name one thing a college attendent could do this summer in the town that wouldn't upset the old people or invited being attacked by chavs?7/12/2005 12:32:29 AM|||Anonymous|||well, you could become a chav (or an old person for that matter), but i would sooner kill myself than do that. today i tried to navigate the river exe, and just as i passed st peters church, i realised to my dismay that there were about 20 kids (10-17) playing in the water. now thats all and good, for i was too, but they were jumping off of the bridge into the river. i dont care if they want to kill themselves, but it soon dawned on me that if i did indeed go under the bridge i would be jumped and probably tipped out of my boat by the chavs. and just before that i was commenting to my fellow boaters on the wonderful view. tiverton isnt all bad, but there are a core of individuals who seem to be set upon making life difficult for the rest of us. TP being one of them. but he isnt the only one, there are many like him who are much much worse, atleast all he does is promote his chavness around that crappy sports shop that, at this moment, has the signs "all stock must go". retards.7/14/2005 12:14:19 PM|||Tiverton Wanderer|||I never reply to my own posts without my tag, sorry, no humorous names here.... the site builds itself.7/16/2005 04:27:00 PM||||||I only came to Tiverton for the hunting. Now they've banned it I'm thinking of moving back to Barbados6/30/2005 03:40:00 PM|||Modius|||Okay, so after a bit of nudging here and there, I been persuaded that TRT (The Real Tiverton) needs a photo gallery. A place for all of your stupid pictures and of course so we can all have a good old bitch about chavs and any moronic human beings that have the misfortune to be featured. Get the pics in quick to tw@therealtiverton.co.uk, and we'll get them up pronto, hell, we'll even let you comment. Photo Gallery|||112014267249571310|||There really is Nowhere to HIDE!7/01/2005 02:43:59 PM|||Anonymous|||fooking brilliant site guys keep it up, DWN WITH CHAVS :P7/02/2005 04:32:03 PM|||Anonymous|||With reference to the previous contributor, who has some valid points, I would like to add the following. I moved away from this town several years ago and due to circumstances had to return. The town had stagnated considerably, particularly the town centre - gone were several small business and the diversity of shops significantly reduced. The decline has continued - Bampton St is increasingly becoming take-away-land, shops are closing due to exorbitant rents and rates (Heal's!), and all the pubs are the same (no relaxing atmosphere - just the locals thinking they can take on the world.) How long have Bastins & Hill House Hammond been empty? Will the same happen to the existing Tesco site? The elected representatives should be doing more to encourage business here - but have they the experience or know-how to do so? Why are major employers quitting the town, and what are "business leaders" doing to reverse this trend? The continued building of new housing appears to be for commuters or the buy to rent brigade who have no interest in the town. Why should they venture into the town centre when there is nothing to attract them? Fore Street must be one of the blandest and unappealing main street in the country - particularly when it is abandoned at night to gangs of feral youths. In summary, this town has been in decline for some considerable time. Unfortunately, nobody has stepped back and seen this trend developing. Yes, there are several good eating places - but that does not make a cummunity.7/03/2005 08:58:24 PM||||||AAARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!! My head hurts! theres too many issues to deal with, talk about and solve with this bloody town!! Why wasn't any action taken years before the town got THIS bad??? AAARRRGGHHH pain! pain!7/10/2005 10:42:44 PM|||Anonymous|||Well Mav, I would suggest too much complacency from our "business leaders" and lack of a real plan by MDDC.6/29/2005 11:33:00 PM|||Modius|||So what's hot and what's not, this weeks topic BAR STAFF. The Good, The Bad and The downright absurd. Be careful how you post, if you've got the nerve to name someone specifically then make sure your name yourself otherwise keep it to desciptions only - not like Tiverton is a large place eh? Keep em' clean!
You got a gripe - This is the place to do it.....|||112008454637691716|||Best and Worst - Your Weekly Say?6/29/2005 11:51:34 PM|||ChavUnited|||The Curly Brown Long Haired girl at the twyford!!!!!! She getting my lovin'!6/30/2005 12:03:17 AM|||Anonymous|||There's a lovely girl down the white ball, she's got dark brown hair (straight) and is really nice and helpful. Suppose it helps that she is good lookin as well.6/30/2005 12:09:16 AM|||Anonymous|||The tall blonde haired manager blokie down the Ball, he always miserable and never serves people in the order they arrive at the bar, come to think of it, most of the staff don't, not unless your a sexy woman like me.6/30/2005 01:09:38 PM|||Anonymous|||curly long brown hair!twyford! been there done her bought the tshirt6/30/2005 01:25:18 PM|||ChavUnited|||Lucky fella! Pat on the back for you from me my son!6/30/2005 05:37:07 PM|||Anonymous|||Everyone at the White Ball just serves sooooo sloooowly!
Best barman in town is Tom, the new guy at the RaceHorse!6/30/2005 11:12:46 PM|||Anonymous|||7/01/2005 08:16:57 PM|||Anonymous|||While I would like to say something good about the services at the White Ball I cant!! Plenty of staff behind the bar but not a clue in what they are doing. Why do you have to wait so long to be served?
Even on a Wednesday night the service is rubbish, food takes to long to come to you, and lets be honest how long does it take to microwave?
Half Moon has come into some stick on this site, but you can get served, OK the staff are not glamarous but they are friendly and they do seem to know who to serve in order.
Twyford, Queens Head, and all the rest I cannot comment on, but I expect most of the staff do their best.
And yes I do not do a pub crawl every weekend,I like to drink where I think I will be happy without worrying about any trouble that might happen, sorry if this sounds like I am getting on in years, but I am!!7/01/2005 09:07:44 PM|||Anonymous|||The prick with the glasses behind the bar at the shite ball- seems to go out of his way to serve me last, ask me to repeat what i've just said (which takes forever if im ordering for everyone) and snap "there's a 40 minute wait on the food"- Kick him out and replace with either someone hot and cheerful or, in fact anyone whos reasonably pleasant and has an iq of 10 or more7/02/2005 01:09:31 PM||||||That monkey looking fella in the Trout, just out of town. Rubbish, slow and I must say, a little short to work behind a bar.7/03/2005 08:34:49 PM||||||The white ball has gone completely down the shitter. The staff/place use to be great a year or so ago, but what the hell has happened? Ugly staff that can't pull a pint and give it to you without spilling it all over the counter. But before that pleasure you have to wait a fucking hour to be even noticed then another to actually be served. I'm guessing it's not that great working in a pub and trying to remember who was first etc. but the other pubs in town don't seem to do such a complete shit job at it. Plus you get a smile at the twyford, always goes down well!!7/04/2005 12:23:45 PM|||Anonymous|||Tom, the new guy in the racehorse is bloody fantastic! He pulls pints better than Peter Stringfellow pulls women! What a man! Give him a bonus right away! King of the barmen!7/04/2005 01:56:33 PM|||Skip_to_the_Lou_Macari|||I think I know the girl with the curly hair at the Twyford and she's about as sharp as a blunt knife.
Not too bad to look at mind..... guessing that's why she's still there. :P
(BTW, it says that it's 5:56a.m. when I previewed this post, but it's actually 1:56 p.m..... Typical Tivvy. Can't even get the time right !! ;-P )7/04/2005 01:58:15 PM|||Skip_to_the_Lou_Macari|||Oh, when I posted that ^^^^ the time corrected itself.
Typical !!
I drink in The Twyford by the way..... if you can guess my real id I'll shout you a pint. :D7/04/2005 03:26:13 PM|||Anonymous|||Tom, at the Racehorse can't pronounce his 'R's', plus he dropped my money, didn't pick it all up then announed it wasn't enough. He has extremely well kept finger nails for a man though.7/05/2005 09:40:55 PM||||||The Curly, Brown, Long-haired girl in the Twyford happens to be a very good friend of mine.
She's far from stupid.7/06/2005 01:11:51 AM|||ChavUnited|||I is guessing yous name is reginald! Can I 'ave me pint now?7/06/2005 01:12:31 AM|||Anonymous|||I would put it to you that your name is Horatio.7/06/2005 01:13:25 AM|||Anonymous|||How about The Curly Brown Long Haired Girl?7/06/2005 01:16:57 AM||||||Clever aye? Then what a dram wee bitch like her werking in tha twitford for eh? Surely a wee bairn wiv a slight amounta brain wouldna be werking behind a bar like? Is a mugs game tha.7/07/2005 12:44:47 AM||||||Needs must... when you're in full-time education.7/07/2005 11:51:51 AM|||Anonymous|||Everyone who works behind the bar in half moon is ugly. i look at the floor when i order my drinks. i've seen better looking people on the ocean finance adverts.7/07/2005 11:53:52 AM|||Anonymous|||Costa employes illegal foreigners at £3.50 per hour.7/07/2005 08:31:53 PM|||Anonymous|||Half Moon is taking some stick for the bar staff, but without them we wouldnt get served.Not everyone is fed up with this pub cos if you go in on a friday or saturday night the place is busy.
Maybe they dont all stay there ( remedies calls at 9.45)but it isnt avoided like a lot of the places in town.7/09/2005 11:30:36 AM||||||Oh Crimbles! the inmates have taken over the asylum and voted that the best pub in town is a childrens' bottle joint7/10/2005 03:05:13 PM|||dp|||so all the bar staff at the half moon are ugly are they? Any what does looks mean, they all have very good personalities. If you have to look at the floor, dont come in at all, at least they smile and are cheerful, more than can be said for White Ball.7/10/2005 08:02:57 PM|||dp|||To start with the Half Moon has some of the best bar staff around, that you can at least have a laugh and a joke with and the Landlord is quite tasty too which helps.
The Seven Stars is not only my local but my favourite pub after the Half moon. It boast nice bar staff and drinkers that make you feel at home.
So all you twats slagging these two places off dont bother drinking in them 'cos they dont want cocks like you drinking in there anyway.7/10/2005 08:03:50 PM|||dp|||7/11/2005 08:58:08 AM||||||7/11/2005 08:58:33 AM||||||7/12/2005 04:32:43 PM|||Anonymous|||why post your comment 4 times?
i went in the half moon once and vowed never to return. its got the most depressing interior ever and i see an awful lot of lairy scum going in and out every weekend. but as long as they all stay in there the rest of the town isnt so bad.7/13/2005 11:35:03 AM||||||The Half Moon is a squalid slum. It's ironic that they have a sign behind the bar asking people to use manners, when they can't even raise a smile or say thank you themselves. I'm joining the 'been once, never again group' on this one. Discusting.7/20/2005 06:45:57 PM|||ChavUnited|||steady on huys n gals! I thought this post was to vote for you favourite bar staff, not slag of the pub you hate most! Muppets! the lot of ya. You can't help yourselves can you? Someone says something you don't agree with, so using the net given power of anonimity and the cursed button of "leave your comment here" you have to go and stick your tuppence worth in. Fuck the lot of ya... This is the results. For Pricing and Punters = The White Ball. For Bar Eye Candy And Staff Attitude = The Twyford. There you have it.7/20/2005 11:40:26 PM|||Anonymous|||Is it true that the spoons have been stopped from cooking, sorry microwaving, by the health and safty inspectors?7/21/2005 12:06:30 PM||||||Well this IS free speech 'chavunited'. If you have something to say, say it. Ohhh, are you angling to join TRT's web team? You could guarantee people would take heed of your word then 'my son'.7/21/2005 04:38:48 PM|||Tiverton Wanderer|||Just to clarify, hell will freeze over before 'chavunited' is ever offered a job on TRT's team.7/21/2005 06:41:05 PM|||ChavUnited|||oi! Karlos! Shut it you greasy no hoper.6/29/2005 11:20:00 PM|||Modius|||This one was a suggestion from a Tiverton Loving member of the public. Places to park (for free). Do we know of any? Does the traffic warden ever dish out the tickets (I happen to be very fond of Terry, he's almost part of the scenery these days) or enforce the law? and more importantly where do all of our parking fines go - I wonder...? Back to that old chestnut again!
Maybe if the young 'chaps' around the town didn't spend so long tearing up the roads, they would be in a better state, and while I'm at it, what is the point of having the words 'Drug Dealer' emblazoned across your windscreen - oh... I forgot, you want us all to think your a really big, drug dealer... my mistake!|||112008390048012280|||Traffic and Parking?6/30/2005 09:40:07 AM|||Anonymous|||Great point about the Chav's in their piles of shit6/30/2005 10:19:22 AM|||Anonymous|||It's time we started Chav Wars. I've had enough of seeing Vauxhall Nova's with spoilers fit for a 747s, and "hairdrier" scooters everywhere. I've been looking on ebay for a black-market "stinger" so I can reap some revenge. That said, it makes me laugh to see these idiots really believing that they are cool as beans. Mutants.6/30/2005 01:32:09 PM|||Anonymous|||Why not park in Bampton Street - everyone else seems to, yellow lines are meaningless. And where is the traffic warden - hands behind back outside W H Smith's trying to look important. As a consequence, taffic through the town is brought to a halt by drivers trying to shoehorn themselves into the smallest possible space with no concern as to the jam piling up behind. Make Gold St & Bampton St no parking!6/30/2005 02:56:37 PM|||Anonymous|||and whats with that cocklunch with the 'dukes of hazzard' horn?6/30/2005 03:17:00 PM|||Anonymous|||6/30/2005 05:50:35 PM|||Anonymous|||6/30/2005 11:25:20 PM|||palbfish|||lol, he gave out a parking ticket to somebody I know. not sure if they paid it7/01/2005 10:30:28 AM|||Anonymous|||You never see old Terry when it raining, bet he goes down to the Heathcoat club for a pint!!!!7/01/2005 03:34:11 PM|||Anonymous|||In reply to anonymous re. parking in Brampton street.
The majority of people parking on the yellow lines are disabled Blue Badge holders brought about by increased charges for parking. In many council car parks, the disabled are allowed to park free of charge.
Added gripes now for all parkers are the changes being made around the market car park. One takes their life in their hands just trying to walk around.
There are moves afoot to ban parking totally in Brampton street.
The nearest vacant car parking spaces will then be in Wellington, Taunton or Exeter. Now, There's a thought.7/01/2005 04:18:08 PM|||Anonymous|||In reply to Bampton St parking - Out of interest, I regularly check cars parking on the left hand side for disabled stickers. My record is out of 10 cars parked on a Monday morning, only 4 had disabled stickers! Where was Terry?????7/01/2005 05:44:06 PM|||buttmunky|||Real bummed about the chavalanche of numpties who drive around the Gold St-Bampton St-William st-Barrington st racing circuit desperate to impress the 14 year old slappers they havent already got pregnant yet...
The same dumbasses who a year or so before would be walking around the Gold St-Bampton St-William st-Barrington st racing circuit desperate to impress the 14 year old slappers...
they have 'cars' now. so surely they can piss off down to Exemouth or somewhere and give us all a break?7/01/2005 07:55:24 PM|||Anonymous|||Heathcoat Club?
Where the hell is that?
Is this a place that I need to visit? Good drinks and a friendly atmosphere, must be if terry goes there.
And yes he still is giving out tickets, I got one last month, I was parked in Gold Street, should of squeezed into a space in Bampton Street and then I would not be out of pocket.But couldnt do that cos Bampton Street was full, and Terry was not looking at this place, me thinks that this street is oblivious to Terry and the police alike. Yes I know if I had not been parking where I should not have I would not have had the ticket.But then my next step is to park in Bampton Street and see if I get away with it!!!! And if I do I will let you all know.Got to start saving first though, these tickets cost money and I could be using it for something else, like a drink down the Heathcoat Club!7/04/2005 03:30:19 PM|||Anonymous|||Terry isn't the quickest mover on the planet and often trips over his own feet. He omits strange noises and seems to be running on clockwork, someone should wind him up more regular, or he might be a robot, that might explain the mumbled speech, slow reaction time, hot sparks flying from his groin and leaving a trail of oil everywhere.7/04/2005 07:51:34 PM|||buttmunky|||That was the funniest post yet on this site.
I actually spat out my Tea over my keyboard.
:-D7/05/2005 09:40:26 AM||||||ha! no i don't think terry is clockwork, maybe radio controlled? He was crying the other day because a bumble bee was buzzing in his face.7/05/2005 09:47:32 PM||||||I would ask all of you who claim that people who drive their different cars around the town to name and shame the cars themselves, state colour and type if you can work it out.. im intrigued..
As for parking, park near the old hospital, it says no parking but that was when the hospital was in use..7/06/2005 01:31:42 PM|||Anonymous|||Three Novas!! Three shitty, clapped out, rusting, noisy, beaten in Vauxhall Novas in a row, all breaking the speed limit and driven by UGLY, SPOTTY, BRAINLESS CAP WEARING SCUM hanging out the drivers side. Everybody hates you, no-one likes you, no-one. NOT Even your family and friends. You are scum, you are filth.7/09/2005 11:14:36 AM||||||Parking problems are strangling the little spark of commercial potential this town has. As regards the expensive (though essentially creditable) panier market scheme, I wonder how many of MDDC's funding partners realise that their grant money (fully need-assessed through the requisite legislation and minutely weighed against likely benefits to the community, VFM etc etc) is at risk through a parking regime that will jeopardize the success of the overall scheme and of course therefore their big handouts. This town should put as few obstacles in the way as possible of people who might want to come here. I was in Midhurst last week, and 'tis verrily a successful little sussex town which could easily carry modest (or even high) parking charges because it is a place that people WANT TO GO TO. However parking was free. They were looking after their community (like the French do)- looking after the shoppers & looking after their commercial risk-takers and looking after & carefully nurturing the commercial health of the town. MDDC is very careless with us in this regard. Expensive parking IN THE TOWN will not only risk the success of the forementioned panier thingy but will add to the success of larger out of town shopping centres which have free parking - to the clear disbenefit of the health of the historic retail core which through this site we all seem to suggest we would like to value MORE. I personally haven't got two brain cells to keep each other company at night, and it scares me that some mule at MDDC more stupid even than me is mastermainding all this obdurate noodleness. This is part of a depressingly long history of Tiverton and its masters only having itself to blame & I an wrathful in the face of it. Oh hell, yea.7/09/2005 07:26:50 PM|||Anonymous|||Must admit that those novas are clearly as you said, clapped out pieces of shit lol7/10/2005 10:54:26 AM|||Anonymous|||well look-ee hear. While we wuz out in our novas suppin pineapple destruction an bird-doggin babes someone was at home on saturday nite the computer. Fer chrissakes that is one triste dude7/12/2005 08:50:50 PM|||Anonymous|||Terry is a tosser7/12/2005 08:57:17 PM|||Anonymous|||terry is a beer loving lard ass lazy bastard7/12/2005 09:00:47 PM|||Anonymous|||terry yhe tit7/13/2005 08:36:05 AM||||||You mean that thing that looks like a traffic warden IS a traffic warden! I thought it was a rather amusing Conceptual Art Installation!
All at once Tiverton seems a less sophisticated place.
Perhaps he could be sawn in half, placed in two tanks of formaldihyde - to be displayed outside of WH Smiths and Jag?7/13/2005 12:41:42 PM||||||I despair at Tiverton's cultural poverty.
When Terence won the Heritage Lottery Fund grant for his warden-based street corner theatre everyone howled down this deeply misunderstood man's ironically primitive work. It would close after the first performance they all said. Actually it is precisely because his plot is devoid of any narrative drive, emotional depth and lacks any sustained, gritty, "work" realism that Terence has the edge over all the other parasitic Arts Council-funded "traffic artists" with their more dynamic ticket-based performances7/13/2005 01:59:54 PM|||Anonymous|||Yeah and watch out for Devon Contract Waste lorries, I reckon the drivers hit cars and drive off leaving the unlucky owners to foot the bills for their carelessness.7/13/2005 04:00:12 PM|||Anonymous|||Last night I saw the Drug dealer car (& occupants)mentioned on the original post. Its always very reassuring when stereotypes conform so perfectly7/16/2005 01:56:29 AM|||zeb|||buttmunky, your neighbour whole-heartedly agrees. Can we fill a supersoaker with corrosive acid and lean out of the window as that muppet with the comedy-crap horn goes past to strip that green paint off the car? (for reference guys if you dont know the one its a stupid green corsa with cheap silver stickers down the side. If you see it parked up - KEY IT!)Feckin twat.7/16/2005 03:42:52 PM|||Anonymous|||Who is that twat in a green rover 214 with stupid bean can exhaust and silver stickers up the side . he is always driving like an absolute knob jockey. one day he is going to run someone over. the sad thing is that thats probably what it will take to make the tosser slow down. save it for the track ooops sorry its a granddads car !!!!! lol7/17/2005 12:13:29 AM|||buttmunky|||Its the pale green astra with the 'Dukes' horn.
There is a green rover (just mentioned) with silver shit on the side that drives (alledgedly) round (and round, etc)with his music way too loud generally pissing everyone off, but yep, keys and acid are both valid suggestions.7/19/2005 11:52:09 AM|||Tivtrot|||I don't think it's fair to criticise Terry. He hasn't been the same since he got run over (Seriously, he was badly injured) Before that, he was known as 'Hitler' thanks to the moustache.
He has been around since the early 1980's, and he was no spring chicken then, I'm amazed he is still working. I think it's mainly sympathy, to be honest7/19/2005 04:48:50 PM|||Anonymous|||How many hours per week is Terry supposed to work? Isn't he obliged to ticket illegal parkers? As he recently gave a ticket to a disabled driver for displaying her blue badge on the side instead of the front of her car, perhaps he only goes for soft targets. Oh yes, and does he know that the disabled bay in Bampton Street is not a codenamed car park for patrons of Choices Videos?7/19/2005 05:16:47 PM|||Tivtrot|||Parking is an issue these days. Long gone are the days when wandering motorists would be greated on the outskirts of Town by the legend
"Welcome to Tiverton - Ample Parking!"6/29/2005 01:00:00 PM|||Modius|||Well, thanks for the GREAT response over the past few days. So... we all have issues with ye ol' Tiverton, the Council still refuses to listen (no surprises there, after all we have 'no expectations' - thanks Councillor Noon, we can't all have an education paid for by mummy and daddy!), so what would you like to added to the town or should that be obliterated. I always thought that tarmac might be a useful thing to use! Where do taxes go - apart from £70,000 on water coolers?
|||112004662532164052|||Blueprints for Tiverton6/29/2005 03:15:03 PM|||Anonymous|||For the sake of accuracy (not your forte I know, but ho hum) - there are multiple layers of councils - the town council deal with town issues, the district council deals with district issues the County council deals with County issues. If you fancy slagging the Council, fair play - we all love a bit of govt bashing - but get the right one - otherwise you sound like a semi-literate, maladroit, ignorant arse. And we wouldn’t want that, would we?6/29/2005 03:22:38 PM|||Anonymous|||88% of council tax goes to central govt, who dish it out elsewhere - schools, hospitals, welfare, Northerners. Not to suggest that anyone here would want to do something useful, but if you wanted to campaign for fairer taxation you could start by lobbying central govt to use the latest census figures to allocate central grants, rather than the previous one - that would mean more money given down here, so less for the District & County Council to raise - your local MP will be able to point you in the direction of who to contact / blanket email / petition to make a difference. Not useful for the people of Tiverton I know, as spelling 'MP' is quite a challenge. And criticising is sooooo much easier than doing something about it.6/29/2005 03:24:49 PM||||||It's so refreshing that members of the council come and visit this site, point out the errors, but leave no constructive comments, and why do they never show their names? All's well and good when you can hide your identity - I wonder in which part of the council you work in?6/29/2005 03:26:57 PM||||||Ha, yeah MPee is quite a difficult thing to spell!6/29/2005 03:32:46 PM|||Anonymous|||sorry, which bit of 'petition your MP to raise central grant to Devon' is not constructive?
and I'm a PhD student, not a council worker. Please get at least one thing right on this site...6/29/2005 03:35:57 PM||||||Is that you Timmy? Not to sure what the guy above me is on about, but good for you, maybe thats what the town needs, a petition, if anyone understands or not is another matter!!6/29/2005 03:58:10 PM||||||I think your right Derek, that's little Timmy who got sacked from the White Ball for his insufferably self centred attitude (and wearing a leather jacket & girls studded belt with shirt and trousers) still his mum tells him he's special and thats enough for him. Go..... Timmy become a doctor of philosophy, goon on you. And all those child psychologists said you'd never amount to anything. Well you'll show, just after you've finished dressing as a woman and starting fires.6/29/2005 04:54:10 PM||||||I'm curious... This site although not perfect has now given people a voice. It would appear as though councillors fearing for their jobs are now trying to knobble the site with posts about the site being misinformed.
How about this councillors.....
Stop harassing and trying to discredit whoever set up the site and read what the people of Tiverton have posted.
DO YOUR BLOODY JOBS AND SERVE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED YOU IN. DONT JUST MAKE GLIB COMMENTS IN THE LOCAL PAPER.
GET CHAVS OFF THE STREETS, ADDRESS THE SOCIAL ISSUES THAT ARE BEING RAISED, LOOK AROUND YOU AT THE TYPES OF SHOPS WE HAVE. WE ALL SUSPECT YOU DON'T CARE AS IVORY TOWER SYNDROME IS ALWAYS EVIDENT WITH THE LOCAL COUNCIL. BUT THERE ARE FUTURE ELECTIONS AND SOME LOONY MAY JUST DECIDE TO STAND AS AN INDEPENDANT. THINK ABOUT IT.6/29/2005 05:36:18 PM|||timmers|||oh now look what you've done, I'm all upset and me mascara's running...
I would try and guess who exactly I've pissed off this time, but the list would just be tooo long. So go ahead and get your cheap shots in - from the anonymity of a compooter screen. Brave boy.6/29/2005 06:05:32 PM||||||Oooo.... Bitch fight eh timmay? Maybe you should get the dumb blond to come and help you out! Hee Hee! I don't think you are a Phd student yet are you tim? And last I heard and saw you were still working at the COUNCIL!!!!6/29/2005 06:22:31 PM|||ChavUnited|||Popular with da honeyz 2nite ain't ya timmy? Ditch da fluffy bear coat and join us chav's. Our style's is well up ya street. We 'as a nice selection of pink 'n yellow shirts, 'n if you'd like to accessorize wiv a flash belt that's fine wiv us! We to like 'anging around peoples park late at nite setting fire to shit 'n getting pissed. But a word 'o warning mate... We slap a bird on the ass if we like 'er, not behave like one. Know what I is sayin'? Respect!6/29/2005 06:24:29 PM|||Anonymous|||the interest in my welfare and whereabouts is touching... handed in me notice last week. Time for something new - and challenging...
so now that we've covered the nicities, you going to tell me who you are? I would think if you were an ex-girlfriend I might have a slight recollection...6/29/2005 06:36:52 PM||||||ok... did you just tell the people of tiverton that you have never had a girlfriend before? How old are ya? This website is about Tiverton, not a game of who am I and why don't I like you. Want a challenge? Guess who I am. Want something new? Piss off.6/29/2005 06:50:39 PM|||Anonymous|||this is whay I love conversing with the good folk of Tiverton. It's always so rewarding. The wit and repartee would be difficult to recreate anywhere else... s'bin a slice. Enjoy your site. Try not to make too many factual errors in future...
laters6/29/2005 10:27:38 PM|||XxanotherstudentxX|||6/29/2005 11:54:32 PM|||xxxanotherstudentxxx|||how about we build a massive chav gillotine in the middle of the high street and get those useless charity folk (mentioned in other posts) to round up all the chav scum i.e [name removed], the prices, and any other reebok donning street scum and have a good old sing - song?6/29/2005 11:55:43 PM||||||@xxxanotherstudentxxx, we are all aware of TP, please stop quoting his name, I'm getting tired of deleting your posts and reposting them minus name! By all means carry of bitchin though!6/30/2005 09:42:20 AM|||Anonymous|||90% of the tax go into the council's fat overpaid pockets7/02/2005 01:17:32 PM|||Anonymous|||Sooooooo - Parking, CHAVS, Racing circuits, shops and council; add em together and you get Tivvy! Try living in town. Managed to get Terry off my back after a few arguments about parking to have the side of my car demolished by a lorry. To add to this we are assaulted by manic divas trying to enter the Tivvy charts by cattawailing to the Karaoke Friday and Saturday at a well known venue (quite hilarious actually until you try to watch TV on a hot sunny evening). I always chuckle at the little guys running around in converted tin cans with their shiny new bass systems shaking the can to bits as they cruise then rev up their brumbrum and squeak the tyres. It must cost a fortune in rubber! I wonder if they will be able to perform a telesales job in a few years and the hearing aid industry in Devon will be laughing :-)
It all brings me to the images of Discworld, I love living here, nowhere has amused me so much in ages.
Last comment is about shops, how come ther are so many empty ones and do the glaziers employ the unemployed to smash the windows in order to create a new underground economy in glass?7/03/2005 09:09:18 PM|||Anonymous|||Geez, I didn't think this site was becoming like all the others (full of personal bitchin) thought you were suppose to be constructive and thought provoking, not immature and low.7/05/2005 08:19:42 PM|||Anonymous|||If you have a personal bitch for me, I'm acceptin'7/07/2005 05:16:44 PM|||Anonymous|||OK what do we want in our town?
How about the following?
1. A decent bar which sells good wine and beer and plays good music
2.Another department store like Debenhams or something, anything that will give us an alternative to Banbury's that sells items people under 50 want to wear.
3. A greater range of restaurants, there are a few good places but we are in 2005 and we don't like MSG and we're bored of meat and two veg.
And most importantly....
NO MORE CHARITY SHOPS
NO MORE HAIRDRESSERS7/09/2005 11:47:15 AM|||Anonymous|||Hey dunno who the phd girlie boy is but someone's just made a good point about PARKING over on the roads & parking strand.7/17/2005 05:33:42 PM|||Tivtrot|||Here's a blueprint:
The Hospital site to be regenerated as a small business space, with Offices and workshops for rental, and with some of the ward blocks converted to Council Flats for single young people in the Town.
The Belmont Hospital site to be regenerated likewise as Council Housing.
The Town Hall site to be regenerated along the lines of the Angel Scheme, but with the housing only as Council Housing, rather than 'affordable' Private Housing. With an Arts & Community Centre, including a performance space, bar, cafe, pool & snooker halls, and rooms for public use
The former Council Housing Office to be regenerated as Council Housing on the upper floors, with a shop space on the ground floor.
The former Electric Cinema and garage forcourt next door to be compulsarily purchased, demolished (Sad, I know, but they have no real value as buildings) and the Market Car Park and entrance/ exit extended.
Rents on shop units to be fixed by the Council, with transparency to the public, in order to assist shops staying in the Town.
The Conservative Club to likewise be demolished to allow a large extension to the New Hall.
The entire Riverside to be made into a Public walkway / cycle path from the Road bridge at Western Way to the Kennedy Way Bridge, with footpaths on both sides and the footbridge at the foot of the Castle Gardens rebuilt, and the house in the grounds of Heathcoats to be regenerated as a Cafe.
The Housing at Tidcombe Lane to be refused permission to continue, Tidcombe Hall to be sold to become a family Pub/Restaurant.
Blundells School to be taken over as Tiverton's Tertiary Sixth Form/FE College. East Devon College Campus to become part of Tiverton High School, with all hideous 60's buildings flattened and new gardened Campus created.
All that would be a start.7/18/2005 10:12:43 AM||||||You forgot to mention where you'd put the statue of Trotski, you mollusc. Council house heaven is one thing - but this blueprint would absolutely switch off the last bat's squeak of commercial confidence this place has, and speed Tiverton on its way towards economic stagnation - and you'd be like a pig in sh*t - as long as your dole cheque arrived on time.7/18/2005 02:20:52 PM|||Tivtrot|||Max Power (Presumably you got that name from a Vacuum Cleaner) Why would we need a statue of Trotsky? A statue of the Tiverton Mayor and Chartist William Rowcliffe might be nice, but I don't think Trotsky has much relevance.
Speaking as the Managing Director of a small business, I'd like to know exactly how any of the suggestions I outlined would 'switch off commercial confidence' - please elaborate as to how more affordable housing for low paid workers, more premises for small businesses and particularly start-up businesses, and regulated rents for Shops, would have a negative impact.
What, exactly, is YOUR blueprint - muppet boy?7/18/2005 03:35:41 PM|||Anonymous|||So my guess is that Mr Tivtrot runs a business that pays its staff badly, that's why he wants more council housing....7/18/2005 03:44:10 PM|||Anonymous|||Dear Mr Tivtrot
May I introduce you to a little know phenomenon called "Communism", it caused a bit of a stir in 1917, the Russian royal family were slaughtered, the cold war and the nuclear arms race shortly followed and incidents like Chernobyll, Chechnya, etc were the result.
All because someone called Karl Marx, his mate Lenin and his colleague Trotsky had a dream about things like council housing...
Just in case you haven't twigged, when Max Power said you'd missed out the statue of Trotsky he was referring to the communist elements in your blog.7/18/2005 03:48:53 PM|||Anonymous|||Why on earth would you want to take over Blundells? Its one of the few sources of people with money and aspirations the town has. Take it away and the town would sink into a cess pit of workshops, council housing and snooker halls ( Mr Tivtrot)7/18/2005 03:58:13 PM|||Anonymous|||I totally agree about improving things on the river.
The bit by the River Cafe on Gold street could be put to much greater use.
It would be a really good place to hire dinghies/ punts out to tourists. They could take them down the river, stop off for a picnic if they haven't eaten at the River Cafe/ 4 and 20 Blackbirds or Mallards.
I was in Oxford recently and went to a punting hire place - we had a really good time, they couldn't get the boats out fast enough.
This could be an opportunity...7/18/2005 04:08:20 PM|||Tivtrot|||The Communist elements of my Blog? My Blog is about the History of Tiverton, this site is about Tiverton, this thread is about 'Blueprints for Tiverton'.
Council Housing was introduced by a Liberal Government, and was built by successive Tory and Labour Governments up until 1979. It is the only affordable Housing we still have in Mid Devon. I happen to think the Council should keep it, and fight to build more of it.
As to me employing low paid workers, I don't employ anyone except myself. But there are a great many low paid workers in Mid Devon who need affordable housing. That is why I put more Council Housing in my blueprint.
As to Communism in Russia, you display a manifest ignorance of it. Karl Marx was a German emigree who lived in London and died over 50 years before the Russian Revolution. The Bolshevik Government in Russia was a failure in the end, after Lenin's death in 1924 it degenerated into a dictatorship under Stalin, who murdered every one of the leaders of the revolution of 1917, including Trotsky in 1940. Whatever the crimes of Stalin, which included the murder of thousands of Russians, starting with his Communist opponents, and the starvation of millions thanks to his incompetence. He can hardly be solely blamed for the Cold War, the Nuclear Arms Race, or Nuclear Power. Nor can he be blamed for Putin's war in Chechnya, which has been waged by Capitalist Russia since the fall of Stalinism in 1991.
Can we stick to issues concerning Tiverton please?7/18/2005 04:08:55 PM||||||Conservation-led regeneration is good. Social housing is good too, but your blueprint is too strongly concentrated on that sector for the result to be a happy well-mixed town - your housing plan really would end up justifying all those charity shops. I go to charity shops myself, but also know them to be "indicator" shops & too many spell doom. Weston- super=mare has 28. The Conservative club is not attractive, but why demolish it just because it offends your political sensibilities? Save yourself the sadness of seeing the bingo hall demolished by resiting the new hall. Why do you want to get rid of Blundells? Uppingham, Sedburgh, Marlborough, Sherbourne etc etc all bring really colossal economic benefits to the towns they are in or near. But Blundell's people don't come to Tivvy, and Tivvy probably wouldn't want them. It's part of a historic loggerheads which helps explain why Tivvy has a bolshie hang-up about posh stuff. It certainly helps to explain its comercial malaise now, and why so many people of all classes are sniffy about tivvy. Sure I want tivvy to be real (& not posh) but I really would like it to have the economic capacity to sustain a wider range of more interesting shops, some of which may be considered posh. My main fascination is why Tiverton doesn't work as well as it should. Oh and vacuum cleaners.7/18/2005 04:18:05 PM|||Anonymous|||For someone who wants to stick to Tivvy, we got one hell of an exegesis of russian politics there!7/18/2005 04:20:53 PM|||Anonymous|||Dear Mr Tivtrot
I'm glad your're closely acquainted with the intricacies of Communism and its effects in Eastern Europe. Try not to look ingorant in your next blog by considering how other bloggers will regard what you have written and putting in the necessary caveats ie a statue of Trotsky would not be wanted in my communist version of Tiverton because......7/18/2005 04:22:18 PM|||Tivtrot|||Blundells should be an assett to Tiverton, and it is not, that's why I would like to see it taken into the Publicly owned education system instead of being privately owned.
In fact I think that's what Blundell himself would have wanted. He wanted to leave something that would be an assett to the Town, to educate young people from the area. At that time of course there were no State schools, so a private school was the only option.
Nowadays though Blundells has little to do with Tiverton and has become a symbol of Class divisions. Rather like the Conservative Club.
In fact, back in the day Blundells was seen as something of a hotbed of radicalism, a Jacobin refuge.7/18/2005 04:28:52 PM|||Anonymous|||Oh no, we've got a real live socialist in our midst, quick get the Thatcherite spray!7/18/2005 04:31:55 PM|||Anonymous|||I suppose you think everyone should be made to suffer the appalling quality of education offered by the state system?
Would you abolish all private schools and by that I mean people's democratic right to choose where their kids go to school?7/18/2005 04:38:32 PM|||Anonymous|||There may be many low paid workers in mid Devon but I think Tiverton has more than its share already. Personally I think the private housing is a good thing because it will increase the diversity of Tiverton's population and improve the atmosphere and quality of shops in the town.7/18/2005 04:41:47 PM||||||Trot-tiv is the managing director of a company which doesn't employ anyone. That it the ultimate demonstration of capitalism with a communist conscience. Pur-leeeez7/18/2005 04:46:13 PM|||Tivtrot|||Yes, I would most certainly abolish all Private Schools. The idea that everyone has a 'democratic right' to send their kids to one is just bullshit. 95% of us will never be able to afford it, and some of us never would even if we could.
I went to Sunningmead, Wilcombe, Tivvy School and EDCFE and I am fine thanks. Blundells may be a good school if you're a Russian Mafioso or a Chinese Millionnaire, but if you're from Tivvy it's basically irrelevant, and I think that's wrong, it should be a resource for the Town.7/18/2005 04:52:39 PM|||Anonymous|||I'm a secondary school teacher. I have experience in both education sectors.
Generally bright kids do well in both though I have to say the bright state school kids do well in spite of their school rather than because of it.
From my personal experience the real difference in the two sectors is demonstrated by the average kids. In the state schools I have worked in they generally slip into the lower ability range due to mixed ability teaching, huge class numbers and poor behaviour from the lowest ability kids. Average students have done better in the private schools I have worked in because expectations and aspirations are much much higher.7/18/2005 04:56:02 PM||||||Trotski. Get out of the 1960s. We're all celebs now. You're the only symbol of class division that's left, and I'm beginning to feel all nostalgic about you.7/18/2005 05:07:32 PM|||Tivtrot|||Anonymous Teacher,
Of course Private Schools are better for the students. That's because they are the children of the wealthy and connected.
Now imagine a world where the Private Schools didn't exist, where the kids of the local MP's, businessmen, councillors, etc also attended the local state schools. Don't you think they would make sure these schools were better funded and better for their kids?
As long as they have the ability to opt out of State Eductaion, it will always be 'second class' because they won't care about it, because they don't have to use it.7/18/2005 05:08:50 PM|||Tivtrot|||Oh great, sigh, nice typo :-)7/18/2005 05:12:11 PM||||||I went to Blundells and will always be fond of Tiverton. But yes, there was no great incentive to hit town with our parents because there was nothing there to eat or indulge ourselves with. And lemme tell you after years of amo, amas, amat indulgence was the only thing on my so-called mind7/18/2005 05:14:58 PM|||Anonymous|||I hear you but the problems facing the state education sector are similar to the ones facing Tivvy. Rich people won't go there unless they think its good enough. Its that simple. Asking for them to be abolished doesn't achieve anything constructive, you might as well try to hold back the tide.7/18/2005 06:24:40 PM|||Tiverton Wanderer|||My god, an informed debate, written by intelligent Tiverton dwelling folk. I wasn't aware the this site was running under the guise of The Real Left.co.uk, how I do love to while away the days speaking of politics with like / not so like minded people, how is this relevant to ye ol' Tiverton? Communism is dead, capitalism lives, where does Tiverton factor into all of this. Have fun.... on another note, it's refreshing to see people with an IQ of more than a PE teacher using our site.7/18/2005 06:39:07 PM||||||Trot.Would you prefer public schools (with their scholarship system for locals) or would you prefer highly localised & protected islands of intense wealth and priveledge within the catchment area of the better performing or socially superior schools? That really would do your bleedin' 'ead in.7/18/2005 06:46:29 PM||||||as you can see, I say this without having had the benefit of an education myself!7/19/2005 10:19:04 AM|||Tivtrot|||Victorian dad, I can only speak of my own experience going to school in the area in the 1980's, things will obviously have changed to a degree. But I think at present we actually have both.
The rich, mostly from outside Devon or the UK, and a few bright local youth, attend Blundells.
Middle Class concerned parents would in my day fight to get their kids into Crediton QES or Uffculme.
The rest of us went to Tivvy School.
I would like to see good schools locally that people want their kids to attend, and parents work to support, rather than the current divisive system. That's why I put the taking of Blundells back by the Community into the blueprint. Others choose to view this as politically motivated, so be it.7/19/2005 10:19:10 AM|||Anonymous|||Yeeeeeess. very interesting (rubs chin). But Tiverton already conforms far too closely for its own good to Trot's blueprint. We need to prosper together, he needs to employ some people then he can become a philanthropist - and really do some good. Otherwise he'll cullomptonize us to death.7/19/2005 10:36:25 AM||||||Trot. You're clearly thoughtful and possibly even good in parts. But your ideology is a failed one - it always has & will hold back the poor and give them zero expectations. And because Blundells etc will never go away you will help widen the gap. I couldn't send my kids to Blundells but I'm glad its there. Its all part of the rich thingy of life. Grunge is great but too much is just boring.6/27/2005 02:08:00 PM|||Modius|||So, the site is flying, the suggestions are filling the inbox and time is running short. On the plus side, it looks as though the Mid Devon Gazette is doing a small story on our beloved site. We've recruited two more editors so the stories will soon be growing. Maybe people will sit up and listen to that voice, the unheard or the ignored. Let us wait and see!
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